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mike
Hello

I have been trying to install MinGW.  No matter what I do I get the
Basic Setup and I can't figure out how to install all packages under All
Packages via the MinGW Installation Manager post-install.  In particular
I can't get any of the doc or lic files for example and no it is not a
PATH variable issue.  The packages just aren't there under c:\MinGW\bin
and c:\MinGW\msys\1.0\bin.  Can someone tell me how to choose all the
packages in MinGW Installation Manager and install them please?  I can't
see how to select all the packages shown and MinGW Installation Manager>
Installation > Apply Changes is greyed out.

I'm sure I'm just missing something really obvious.  And yes I want
everything.  I downloaded from
https://sourceforge.net/projects/mingw/files/latest/download?source=typ_redirect 
and ran it today (July 14 2017).

And no I don't want an emulation layer like Cygwin or any kind of
virtualisation.  I want Windows native apps and although I am running
Win 7 Pro on a 64 bit machine I have many good reasons for wanting to
stick to 32 bit MinGW and not 64 bit MinGW.  I run a lot of native 32
bit software on my 64 bit machine again for many good reasons and I have
a highly customised setup which works very well for me.

Thanks very much in advance for any help

Mike

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Re: mingw setup and post-install

Eli Zaretskii
> From: mike <[hidden email]>
> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 22:38:17 +0100
>
> I have been trying to install MinGW.  No matter what I do I get the
> Basic Setup and I can't figure out how to install all packages under All
> Packages via the MinGW Installation Manager post-install.  In particular
> I can't get any of the doc or lic files for example and no it is not a
> PATH variable issue.  The packages just aren't there under c:\MinGW\bin
> and c:\MinGW\msys\1.0\bin.

The last sentence puzzles me: the doc and lic parts of the packages
don't get installed under bin/, they are typically under share/.  Are
you sure you are looking in the right places, and if so, why are you
talking about the bin/ directories?

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Re: mingw setup and post-install

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On 15/07/2017 07:43, Eli Zaretskii wrote:

>> From: mike <[hidden email]>
>> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 22:38:17 +0100
>>
>> I have been trying to install MinGW.  No matter what I do I get the
>> Basic Setup and I can't figure out how to install all packages under All
>> Packages via the MinGW Installation Manager post-install.  In particular
>> I can't get any of the doc or lic files for example and no it is not a
>> PATH variable issue.  The packages just aren't there under c:\MinGW\bin
>> and c:\MinGW\msys\1.0\bin.
> The last sentence puzzles me: the doc and lic parts of the packages
> don't get installed under bin/, they are typically under share/.  Are
> you sure you are looking in the right places, and if so, why are you
> talking about the bin/ directories?
>
Hi Eli

That's not the best post I ever wrote.  Sorry for not being clearer.

I meant I couldn't select all the doc and lic files at one time in the
Installation Manager not that they end up in ...\bin.  That was just an
example.  Another is that mingw32-gcc-g++, etc. in MinGW Base System
have to be manually selected.

What I was hoping for is something like Cygwin's install everything via
setup-x86.exe or setup-x86_64.exe.  ("Clicking on the "Default" label
next to the "All" category to change it to "Install" will mark every
Cygwin package for installation." from https://cygwin.com/install.html)

This is really just a GUI question.  How can I select everything without
having to go through the error prone (and laborious) process of having
to manually select everything I want?

FWIW describing Cygwin as an emulation layer was also a poor choice of
words.  What I meant was that it uses a dynamically loaded runtime.
That's precisely what I want to get away from.  I just want static
linking presumably of just what is required for any GNU program being
built to run on Windows so that what is being built is as standalone as
possible (within reason).  I am aware of the tradeoffs.

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Re: mingw setup and post-install

Eli Zaretskii
> From: mike <[hidden email]>
> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2017 09:25:59 +0100
>
> This is really just a GUI question.  How can I select everything without
> having to go through the error prone (and laborious) process of having
> to manually select everything I want?

I guess that makes me the wrong person to answer the question, since I
always download the tarballs themselves and install them by hand.

Hopefully, someone else will chime in soon enough.

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mike
On 15/07/2017 09:41, Eli Zaretskii wrote:

>> From: mike <[hidden email]>
>> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2017 09:25:59 +0100
>>
>> This is really just a GUI question.  How can I select everything without
>> having to go through the error prone (and laborious) process of having
>> to manually select everything I want?
> I guess that makes me the wrong person to answer the question, since I
> always download the tarballs themselves and install them by hand.
>
> Hopefully, someone else will chime in soon enough.
Thanks anyway Eli

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Re: mingw setup and post-install

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On 14/07/17 22:38, mike wrote:
> I have been trying to install MinGW.  No matter what I do I get the
> Basic Setup and I can't figure out how to install all packages under
> All Packages via the MinGW Installation Manager post-install.  In
> particular I can't get any of the doc or lic files for example and no
> it is not a PATH variable issue.  The packages just aren't there
> under c:\MinGW\bin and c:\MinGW\msys\1.0\bin.  Can someone tell me
> how to choose all the packages in MinGW Installation Manager and
> install them please?

You need to individually select those packages you wish to install,
(i.e. click on the status button next to the package, then "Mark for
Installation"), then...

> I can't see how to select all the packages shown and MinGW
> Installation Manager> Installation > Apply Changes is greyed out.

...this action will become available.

> I'm sure I'm just missing something really obvious.  And yes I want
> everything.

No, you *really* don't ... unless you relish the prospect of manually
resolving conflicts, and repairing a comprehensively broken system,
after the event.  In particular, if you try to install any one of the
modern GCC versions, (from GCC-4.x onwards), into the same system root
as the older (incompatible) GCC-3.4.5 variant, (which some projects
claim to require), you *will* introduce conflicts, which may not be
as robustly handled as I would like, and which may break the system.

Most users (should) want to selectively, and incrementally, install
just the packages they actually need, as their requirements evolve;
mingw-get, (which is both a command line tool, and the underpinning
of the GUI installation manager), is designed to both facilitate, and
to encourage such evolutionary installation, in line with each user's
clear understanding of their own individual requirements.

> And no I don't want an emulation layer like Cygwin or any kind of
> virtualisation.

Which is just another reason why you *don't* want *everything*.  See,
some packages offer choices between mingw32, and msys alternatives; in
these cases you will want to select the mingw32 variant, because MSYS
is a derivative of (an early version of) Cygwin, so represents a form
of the very class of "emulation" layer you want to avoid, and the msys
package choices will be dependent upon it.

Sorry, if this isn't the answer you were hoping for.  If you are still
committed to finding an automated solution, while achieving the degree
of accompanying selectivity which would be required, you should be able
to create a locally specified "virtual" package list, identifying the
set of primary packages you want to install, (as requirements of one,
or more, "virtual" packages); tailor that to your precise needs, then
you may install your selection from it, while still benefitting from mingw-get's dependency resolution, to capture anything you may have overlooked.  If you'd like to explore this technique, I can guide
you through the necessary procedure.

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Regards,
Keith.

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Re: mingw setup and post-install

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On 15/07/2017 22:34, Keith Marshall via MinGW-users wrote:

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> On 14/07/17 22:38, mike wrote:
>> I have been trying to install MinGW.  No matter what I do I get the
>> Basic Setup and I can't figure out how to install all packages under
>> All Packages via the MinGW Installation Manager post-install.  In
>> particular I can't get any of the doc or lic files for example and no
>> it is not a PATH variable issue.  The packages just aren't there
>> under c:\MinGW\bin and c:\MinGW\msys\1.0\bin.  Can someone tell me
>> how to choose all the packages in MinGW Installation Manager and
>> install them please?
> You need to individually select those packages you wish to install,
> (i.e. click on the status button next to the package, then "Mark for
> Installation"), then...
>
>> I can't see how to select all the packages shown and MinGW
>> Installation Manager> Installation > Apply Changes is greyed out.
> ...this action will become available.
>
>> I'm sure I'm just missing something really obvious.  And yes I want
>> everything.
> No, you *really* don't ... unless you relish the prospect of manually
> resolving conflicts, and repairing a comprehensively broken system,
> after the event.  In particular, if you try to install any one of the
> modern GCC versions, (from GCC-4.x onwards), into the same system root
> as the older (incompatible) GCC-3.4.5 variant, (which some projects
> claim to require), you *will* introduce conflicts, which may not be
> as robustly handled as I would like, and which may break the system.
>
> Most users (should) want to selectively, and incrementally, install
> just the packages they actually need, as their requirements evolve;
> mingw-get, (which is both a command line tool, and the underpinning
> of the GUI installation manager), is designed to both facilitate, and
> to encourage such evolutionary installation, in line with each user's
> clear understanding of their own individual requirements.
>
>> And no I don't want an emulation layer like Cygwin or any kind of
>> virtualisation.
> Which is just another reason why you *don't* want *everything*.  See,
> some packages offer choices between mingw32, and msys alternatives; in
> these cases you will want to select the mingw32 variant, because MSYS
> is a derivative of (an early version of) Cygwin, so represents a form
> of the very class of "emulation" layer you want to avoid, and the msys
> package choices will be dependent upon it.
>
> Sorry, if this isn't the answer you were hoping for.  If you are still
> committed to finding an automated solution, while achieving the degree
> of accompanying selectivity which would be required, you should be able
> to create a locally specified "virtual" package list, identifying the
> set of primary packages you want to install, (as requirements of one,
> or more, "virtual" packages); tailor that to your precise needs, then
> you may install your selection from it, while still benefitting from mingw-get's dependency resolution, to capture anything you may have overlooked.  If you'd like to explore this technique, I can guide
> you through the necessary procedure.
>
> - --
> Regards,
> Keith.
Thanks for your extensive reply.  I will get back to this within a
week.  Sometimes life just gets in the way.

Best regards
Mike

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